Interview : Mike Porcaro




2006

Interview exclusive réalisé par Nicolas RAMPLOU.

Nous voilà assis, Mike et moi, sur un superbe canapé rouge, dans les loges du Zénith de Toulouse. Il est environ 19h15.

Tout d’abord Mike, merci de me recevoir et de m’accorder quelques minutes pour discuter avec moi. C’est un immense privilège pour un fan de longue date, de se trouver là, en compagnie de tout le groupe, je peux même dire que c’est un rêve de gosse qui se réalise !

Je pense qu’il est tout naturel de se mettre à la portée de gens qui nous écoutent depuis tant d’années, qui nous suivent sur les routes, qui nous supportent, qui achètent nos disques. Si le groupe en est là aujourd’hui, c’est grâce à vous. Il est donc normal d’être disponible pour vous.


Parle-moi un peu de ta basse, cette Peavey Cirrus V. Quelles en sont les caractéristiques ?

Tu as pu remarquer que j’utilise des 5 cordes depuis pas mal d’années maintenant. Cette Cirrus m’a été mise entre les mains par le patron de Peavey lui-même. Il m’a dit "Essaie ça, si elle ne te convient pas, tu me la rendras". Et cela fait bientôt 4 ans !! Il en a été de même pour la grande majorité de mes basses. Du moment qu’elles possèdent 5 cordes et des micros actifs, le reste n’est qu’une histoire de look !


De toutes celles que tu as utilisées, laquelle t’a le plus marqué ?

Sans hésitation la "F". C’est Alain Caron du groupe UZEB qui m’a présenté cet instrument, et j’en suis rapidement tombé amoureux. Elle présente toutes les qualités qu’un bassiste demande à sa basse : légère, un manche assez étroit malgré les 5 cordes, 2 micros actifs très dynamiques qui réagissent fort, même à bas volume, une ergonomie du corps autorisant toutes les positions de jeu, même assis. Je m’en sers d’ailleurs quotidiennement à la maison, et souvent en studio.


As-tu essayé des basses fretless ?

Oui, mais je ne m’y sens pas très à l’aise. Caron est magistral à la fretless, et j’écoute souvent Jaco Pastorius et sa JazzBass fretless. Mais personnellement, je préfère rester avec mes frettes, cela convient mieux à mon jeu et à la musique de Toto. Je joue d’ailleurs quelques lignes fretless sur Hooked de Falling in between.


Concernant ton amplification et tes effets ?

Après avoir longtemps utilisé du Trace Elliot, je suis fidèle depuis quelques années à SWR. J’aime bien ce son rond et chaud. A l’équalisation, je creuse la courbe en diminuant les fréquences médiums et en accentuant les graves et les aiguës. Je n’utilise par contre aucun effet (à part un petit compresseur), le son que tu entendras ce soir lors du concert est brut. Mes têtes SWR sont déjà très fournies en paramétrages. Bien réglées, je n’éprouve aucun besoin d’y ajouter un quelconque effet. Lors de grands concerts comme ce soir, dans une salle assez vaste, je n’ai aucune baffle derrière moi. Seuls mes deux retours "bain de pied" me suffisent, et largement ! D’ailleurs, Simon Phillips ne supporte aucune fréquence grave proche de sa batterie ! Il est très exigeant, voire maniaque, sur la qualité du son de sa batterie. Pour la petite histoire, pas moins de 98 micros sont utilisés pour repiquer ses fûts et cymbales !! C’est donc notre ingénieur du son qui s’occupe de mixer tout ça depuis sa table. C’est l’inverse lors de soirées en petite salle, comme le Baked Potato par exemple, où j’ai ici besoin de mes baffles SWR, car la sonorisation est différente.


Contrairement aux tournées précédentes, j’ai remarqué que tu avais supprimé le médiator.

Oui, tu as vu juste ! Déjà lors de l’écriture du disque et de son enregistrement, j’ai préféré le jeu aux doigts. Je trouve qu’il est plus facile de faire ressentir une émotion, une sensibilité, en jouant aux doigts plutôt qu’en tambourinant au médiator ! J’ai donc décidé de continuer l’expérience lors des concerts, et tout se passe bien !


Bien, je vois que Martin Cole (Tour manager du groupe) s’impatiente, nous sommes déjà à 20 minutes de votre entrée sur scène ! Encore merci pour ta disponibilité et ta gentillesse, ce fut un immense plaisir de discuter avec toi. Ce jour restera comme un intense souvenir. Je pense aussi que tes fans bassistes trouveront ici de précieux renseignements. Bon concert, et sûrement à cet été dans le sud de la France.

Ce fut un plaisir pour moi aussi ! A bientôt.

© 2006 Nicolas RAMPLOU,
Mike Porcaro Franch Page





2000


wo days prior to the first show of the second European leg in Hamburg, Mike answered some of the most asked questions.
 

Mike, during the last couple of years, you've been very busy with TOTO. Since the release of TOTO XX, you've been working and touring together for 2 years now. Are you looking forward to a longer break after the shows in August, or do you already have new plans with TOTO?
First, I want to take this opportunity to thank Mark and Petra so much for their time and effort devoted to the Toto99.com website. I'm just blown away at what a great site it is. Very impressive in its scope and detail. Absolutely one of the best band sites in existence. For me, it is the best. People see this site and figure, "Maybe these guys have some class after all!"
In answer to your question, I am looking forward to a break after August. I definitely am looking forward to a longer break! It's been a very busy two years for the band and the time has come to rest it for a while. We need to recharge our batteries and re-domesticate ourselves, then look at what it is we want to do next.


After such a long time of touring, is it still fun to go out and tour all over the world? Or is it the job, something that has to be done to promote a new record?
I still enjoy touring very much. I live for it! I must admit, I miss it terribly during a long break. It is the essence of what we do! After eighteen years of doing live concerts with Toto, twenty-two or twenty-three years for Dave and Steve - well, I just think it gets under your skin. We've had so many great shows, so many laughs, great meals, great nights out and about! The travel! Spreading the good news of the Living Groove and seeing people react to it! Of course promoting the record is critical, but this is something I look forward to.


So what are your personal plans for the time of a break? Spending more time with your family?
More time with my family is a priority with me. It's been a long two years and there are a thousand things to tend to around the house. The kid's are growing up fast and it will be nice to spend more time with them.


Do you already have some musical projects in mind for the time of the break? Some sessions, or the work on the "Porcaro brothers project"?
Brother Steve and I hope to spend some time later this summer and fall piecing together some of the material we've been sporadically working on. Steve's been incredibly busy this year scoring several movies. That, and all the Toto touring of late, has made it hard to find the time. Hopefully, that will change soon.


Was it a special feeling some weeks ago when you did the first show ever without Dave? Or was it no problem as Jeff Babko is a first class replacement.
It was strange to be up there without Dave. Dave's approach to playing and his incredible groove/feel is unique and highly identifiable. An integral part of Toto sound. After all, Dave and Jeff were Toto's founders. However, Jeff Babko tore it up on our last leg, bringing his own fire to the gig while honoring and respecting those parts of Dave's that were essential. Dave worked with Jeff for a couple of weeks and then Simon, John Jessel and myself rehearsed with Jeff for a couple of days to tighten it all up. As to the result, I think everyone who came to those shows couldn't help but be impressed with Jeff's playing. He's a bad, bad, boy and we are lucky to have him during Dave's hiatus.


Livefields was released in the TOTO online store under the label "TOTO recordings". Is this TOTO's long awaited own label or did you just need a name for this release?
It is not Toto's long awaited label but simply a way to offer this recording while we decide how to proceed in the near future.


What's the record label situation in the US right now and where would you like to go. Would you prefer signing a contract with a major label again or do you want to release any upcoming material under your own label.
This is exactly the question we are asking ourselves. The time off coming ahead should give us a chance to deal with this issue.


The band had plans for a Video/DVD release of the Yokohama show last year. Any news regarding this release?
This is also something we will now have the time to deal with. It was a great sounding show with 12 or so digital cameras from all sides. Lots of footage to look at but it should be a great Video/DVD. Of course, who but Elliot Scheiner to mix in 5.1?


Dave starts to work on a 5 CD Box set. Do you already know any details regarding what material will be on the records, what kind of songs etc...Or is it to early to talk about details yet?
It is still to early for details. Our recording archives are vast and it will take a fair amount of time to sort through it all. It is a project that we look forward to. A lot of Toto history in those vaults.


What do you (the band) expect from the Internet regarding the online store and new ways of marketing and of selling products?
Well, I know that we done fairly well in the very recent past on "Artist Direct", ranking 11th. It seems that though the medium is full of promise and expectations, in reality, people are still not utilizing it at this time as much as we have been hyped on it's necessity and indispensability.


What do you think of mp3 files which are published illegal on various sites on the Internet? Metallica just sued Napster.com as they distribute mp3 files or at least make them available without the permission of the copyright holders. Are you as a band in the position to do anything against this or is it the job of the record companies?
The way I understand Napster is as a way to upload your record collection to a site on the Internet and then access your collection anywhere you are. Cool, huh? No more lugging around your CD collection. Via your powerbook. Well, your complete music library. Unfortunately, if everybody's collections are made available to anybody else at these sites, piracy of copyrighted product occurs.
Now, with your record or CD your allowed to copy for personal use, as in making a couple of cassettes for the car or ghetto blaster. Nobody would reasonably complain about this. But to let's say, take your CD and make a copy for everybody in the world who wants one, this is criminal and a slap in the face to fairness.
The good news, with high speeds and mega hard drives movies are now fair game. With that industries huge financial resource and especially their political clout, when they start screaming about it, as we're starting to see, the situation looks better for us all

© The ninetynine Toto Homepage 2000
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2000


Mike says, "I've got a drummer that's completely different than the drummer I grew up playing with Ð COMPLETELY different! I can't just relax and trust. I mean, Jeff would start to do a fill and I'd know exactly where he was going to end it. No matter what he did, we had that mental thing happening. It doesn't have to be blood either, believe me. It just happened that way."

"A guy like Simon comes from the completely opposite approach to drums. Jeff was the masterful interpreter, the groovemeister, the subtle touch that would just make a track come alive. So many artists would come up to him and say, 'This tune wasn't even going to be on the album, but now after hearing the way that you are hearing it, this is going to be the first single on the album.' Jeff had a way of hearing a tune where he could figure out where it should be living."

"Simon Phillips is a chops guy. He's going to show you the flash Ð the double bass drums doing paradiddles and we got three against seven against fifteen. You know just shit where you go, 'Fuck you. Are you serious?' I have to say though, he's influenced us but we've influenced him also. He's probably playing more time than he has ever played in his life."

"The last studio release, Mind Fields, I've never heard Simon play so straight. So I think we're starting to have some influence over him. He's coming around to the Yankee way of looking at things. Let's face it, he entered Jeff Porcaro's band. It's silly not to look at what it was about TOTO that made TOTO."

"I'm not going to give up the groove. I'll fight for it. It's been seven years now, so sometimes when Simon will go into one of his flurry fills we know that there's no way that he's coming out on one. For some reason we all manage to find one Ð just through feel because we're all getting used to it now. We're all going, 'Oh no. Here comes the train wreck.' Somehow we'll nail the one razor sharp because we all know where he spasms so to speak. [Laughs] Needless to say, there's a wreck or two to be had. A drummer can't play as intense as Simon does and not pay a price here and there onstage."

"I have to say, this is my band too. I've been at it 20 years with these guys and Mikey is known as a groovemeister. Mikey is not going to impress you with his solo at the end of "99", or Mikey's not going to take a 15 minute spot by himself. Mikey is going to play you some groove locked into a kick drum. I hold dear the music my brother and I made and I'll be damned if I'm going to let some new drummer come in and take me some place that I don't live. So a lot of the time, I have to tell you, I'm a stubborn guy -especially when it comes to grooves Ð and I'll get up there and I'll feel like I'm the time keeper. I get in there and try to get my legs squared off, feet planted and most of the show my eyes are closed and I'm just trying to lay time down and keep the groove going. I have to say, I fight up there, man, especially with a guy like Simon. I mean, Simon has impeccable time and impeccable feel but his mind is racing. He's going for things that other drummers wouldn't even think of doing."

"Drummers are like gunslingers. You get two drummers in a room and you've got one hot shot checking out another hot shot. Guitar players are the worst gunslingers in the world. You get two of them in a room and it's high noon at the OK Corral every time those motherfuckers look at each other. Bass players are the kind of guys that take those other egos and tie them together. The drummer and the guitar player are usually the two cats that are jawing and vibing each other the worst in rehearsal or writing. But as a bass player you're always there happily playing a walking bass line or some polka bass line."

"The concept of playing bass to me is so vast. Jerry Jemmont was my cat when we were growing up - aside from Chuck Rainey and Jamerson of course, I just loved where Jerry put it. I go specifically to albums like Aretha live at the Filmore West. Even more than that is King Curtis live at the Filmore West. He was her musical director. He opened the show with his own set and they recorded that set too. If you've never heard King Curtis live at the Filmore West, you have to get that record. It has some of the greatest R&B rhythm section grooves Ð no vocals Ð just a rhythm section with a horn section. This is the shit we were listening to - deep pocket stuff. That's where we're all coming from. Those are the kind of bands we molded ourselves after."

"Bass to me was always about laying down a good time feel. Bass and drums are there to lock and all the blowing is going to be done by the sax player and in this day in age by your Steve Lukather type of characters and your keyboard players. Me, I just wanted to find a groove to lock in to. I figured the fewer notes I played, the better."

© The ninetynine Toto Homepage 2000
The genius of Jeff was the interpretation. Jeff had chops, but we've all seen chops. He was the master of the pop song.




1999


C'est dingue d'avoir à faire douze heures d'avion pour retrouver son public. Avec Steve Lukather (le guitariste de Toto), on a déjà pensé à s'installer ici. La France, ce n'est pas seulement notre meilleur pays pour les ventes d'albums. C'est ici qu'on s'est vu grandir : la première fois qu'on a joué à Paris, il y avait maximum 1 500 personnes dans la salle. Pour notre dernier concert à Bercy, ils étaient plus de 20 000.


Pourquoi un live de plus de Toto ?
C'est surtout le retour de notre chanteur d'origine, Bobby Kimball, qui nous a motivé. On n'avait jamais enregistré live avec lui. En plus, notre dernier disque de scène, Absolutely Live avait un son pourri, des balances catastrophiques. Même les disques pirates qui circulaient sonnaient mieux. Cette fois, on voulait un vrai live hi-fi avec Bobby. Il n'aurait jamais du quitter le groupe. Et cette fois, promis, on ne le laissera pas repartir.


A plus de 40 ans, vous ne vous sentez pas trop " papis du rock " ?
Nos fans de la première heure ont grandi : ce sont maintenant leurs enfants qui viennent à nos concerts. Un tiers de notre public a entre 18 et 25 ans. C'est hallucinant pour un groupe de vieux routards comme nous.


Vous n'avez plus grand chose à prouver. Qu'est ce qui vous pousse a continuer ?
On s'apprécie, comme des frères. Pourtant, il y a de fortes personnalités dans le groupe. C'est comme dans une équipe de basket : chacun doit tenir son rôle, avoir sa place. Quand on fait tourner les solos sur scène, c'est comme réussir une bonne passe.


Vous suivez le rock actuel ? Qu'est ce que vous écoutez ?
Ni hip hop ni trip hop. Le Top 40 américain quand j'amène mes gamins à l'école. Sinon, du classique, du jazz, Miles, Coltrane. C'est de là que vient le son orchestral de Toto. On a toujours été plus près de Stravinski que de Korn.


Vous ne vous sentez pas un peu isolés à jouer vos grandes symphonies rock alors que depuis Sonic Youth, le rock est devenu une affaire d'énergie, de recherche de sons plus que de belles partitions ?
C'était déjà le même débat entre les Beatles et les Stones. Pendant des années, les majors ont investi sur des gosses qui avaient appris à jouer la veille. Nous nous sentons héritiers de l'autre école, celle qui pense qu'on peut aller au-delà de trois accords en restant rock. Beaucoup de gens nous trouvent trop sophistiqués : chacun son public.


Toujours requins de studio ?
Avec les machines, la scène studio a quasiment disparu. Le public ne fait plus la différence entre les ordinateurs et les musiciens. Je trouve encore quelques engagements : j'ai par exemple joué sur un morceau du dernier Santana, enregistré en Californie.


Qu'est ce qui vous a permis de durer : la cocaïne, les California girls ou les changements incessants dans la composition du groupe ?
La cocaïne et les californiennes auraient pu nous perdre. Ce qui nous a maintenu en vie, c'est le plaisir de jouer ensemble, le respect de nos talents respectifs.

 

Propos recueillis par Jérôme Boyon. Source : alapage.com
Le public français vous adore, les USA ont assassiné votre dernier album, " Mindfields ", l'Angleterre vous a toujours ignoré. Tentés de changer de passeport ?